In this discussion on church-state relations, Todd emphasizes the importance of open dialogue free from contention, particularly in light of perceived hostility toward Christians by governments, especially during the COVID-19 pandemic. He provides historical context, noting that debates over these relations have persisted for centuries, and stresses the need for theological humility, framing the issue as secondary and non-salvific. Todd outlines three distinct realms of authority—family, church, and government—highlighting their roles and limitations to avoid confusion between them.